From Death to Purpose: Joanne's Incredible Rebirth through Online Entrepreneurship

Claire Markwick: 00:00:08

Welcome to fierce woman rising. The podcast that ignites your inner fire and introduces you to women whose shattered norms, rewritten rules and embraced financial independence. I'm Claire, accountant, business mentor, coach and your guide on this transformational journey. Each week, I'll be sharing powerful interviews with women who have embraced a life of purpose and taking control of their destinies. Learn from their stories. Empower yourself and if you feel called, join us in rewriting your own story. Financial independence, joy and abundance are not just a dream. It is your birthright. Let's rise together with fire and become the next theists woman rising. Welcome back. We are here today for another exciting episode of the fierce woman rising podcast and this story. I cannot wait for you to hear this literally. Move me to tears when I first heard Joanne sharing this story so I cannot wait for her to share it with you all today. So Joanne is a 39 year old mama who got into business and debt very, very early at 21 years old becoming a professional horse trainer. Together with her farrier, horse trainer hobby and two kids. She now lives on her beautiful beautiful property and WA where they're choosing the self sustainable, simple homeschooling lifestyle for their family getting things back to basics, which I think is just amazing. Joanne has this dream of retiring her hubby though he doesn't quite follow it in that in that he can't see himself retiring and not working. So they've settled on six months work six months travel, which I think is a pretty cool compromise. She is a woman who I have only known online until very, very recently. And as I said, I had the pleasure of meeting her at her at our business retreat very recently and hearing this story face to face. So I cannot wait for her to share it with you all today and share what this business opportunity has done for her. And I think Joanne, this is something that we spoke about at

Claire Markwick: 00:02:16

the retreat, isn't it? Like it's it is so much more than just a quick win cash business opportunity. And I know we're gonna go into that in FAR, FAR, much more detail through sharing your story, but why don't we? Why don't we start back at the start? Start at the start what was what was what was life like for you before you before you had this business in your life? What was life like for you? Okay, so yeah, what was your dream for the future?

Joanne Campbell: 00:02:50

Okay, so like for me before this, like Claire said, I was a horse trainer. So it was a horse trainer, and riding coach. So I was traveling to different places to teach people how to ride, whether it'd be pony clubs or local clubs or and I would travel 1000s of kilometres. So I would go from the bottom of Western Australia, all the way through to the northern parts of Western Australia. So in a lot of times, I was away for periods of time, sometimes weeks at a time. And depending on where I was traveling to, and what I was doing. In some cases, my family came with me and other cases not I went alone. And when I had kids, it was sort of one of those changing things. I never bothered me traveling beforehand. Then when I had children, I was like, Well hold on a minute, this isn't much of a life for them to be without me. And it just didn't feel right. It didn't feel right for me. And so I was on sort of seeking before I even had my second child, I was seeking something different. I was seeking other things that would help me, you know, get back home to be the present mom that I wanted to become, and that I knew I was possible to be so for me it was more initially was a mindset thing. It was more like change the life change the mindset, because like life was really challenging for me when I had my second child. So my the birth of my second child was very, very traumatic. I actually passed away in the birthing process, and so did my child. And she now has cerebral palsy due to ataxia due to that. And dassies birth for me was very, very different from my first birth. My first birth was five hours baby out no pain medication, the most beautiful, really empowering experience for me as a mother. And then Darcy was polar opposite she was you know, I had I had passed away. I came out of it with a lot of trauma. I had to have a category one cesarean and in that I came out with PTSD and I had really bad post traumatic stress, postnatal depression

Joanne Campbell: 00:04:50

and I had psychosis. So my headspace really wasn't a very good place I had, you know, I was struggling at that point to be in the presence of my A child as a newborn, and as a new mum to a second child. And I found that that headspace, you know, that adversity and that trauma that I was experiencing brought me to seeking bigger and better things, it got me out the other side of it, wanting more for me wanting more for my family wanting more for me as a mum, you know, I wanted to be the present mum that I knew I could be I didn't want to be

Claire Markwick: 00:05:29

your wife, and

Joanne Campbell: 00:05:31

no, and I knew that there was more out there. And of course, in that state of mind, traveling away, wasn't an option. So suddenly, my income had gone from having a decent one. And being able to be 5050 with the income in the way of our household, to suddenly my husband having to do it all. And for me, that was really, really draining and depressing. And I didn't know how to get out of that space, I seeked psychiatric help. I was seeing a counselor weekly, I was all these things, but nothing was really shifting me from where I was. And then I saw my friend, I saw my friend Jane do the TFP, and get online in online business? And I'll see like, What is she doing? And I remember watching her for, for like a six month period thinking, something's changing here, like, what is going on, but we've thought of, yeah, and she that she was a person that I had known for an extensive period of time, she had bought a horse off of me some years before, and come to me for training, as well. And it was sort of like, we built a bond and a friendship, and I knew who she was, and where she'd come from. And then I was watching this magic unfold. And I remember thinking, this is Jane, like, what's going on here? And so one day, I messaged her, and I said, Hey, dude, what are you doing? Like, I need a bit of whatever it is, you're, you've got going on, because I need some help to get out of where I'm at. And everything I'm trying, it's not working. And so originally my journey to greatness, and to where I am now, you know, it started with great adversity, it started with, you know, trauma. And it started with pushing through bad mindset and real setbacks in my life and a whole, you know, I explain it like, as if I was down in a hole, and I had no rope to grasp that. You know, another way I've explained it is like, I'm standing in a room, and I'm screaming, and I'm in a room full of people, and none of them can hear me, you know, like that was, it was

Joanne Campbell: 00:07:34

such a deep, deep seated depression that I just didn't know how to get out of. And even when people were offering me hands down, and things like that, I didn't know how to take it. And when I saw what Jean was offering, it was like, Oh, my God, I need I need what you've got, like, Please throw me the rope. And she went, Yeah, sure, no problems, I can do that. And she was like that rope down into that hole. That gave me that foot out from where I was, and this business that we do online, and where I'm at now in life, and how it has changed my life so much, is all because of that, because she went before me, you know, because she was like, you say that fierce woman that went, you know, everything that is going on in my life, I need to to shift from that. But then she made that step forward to do that. And that then helped me and helped inspire me to do the same.

Claire Markwick: 00:08:28

I think like, what you've just shared in the space of like, five minutes, I mean, it gobsmacked me, it really does, I cannot. And I don't think there's many people that can comprehend the, the depths of where you were, and I think you articulated it really well. But the being in a room full of people and screaming and no one hearing you is what really locked it in for me, you know, it's like, I can't begin to imagine that frustration, you know, as like, what you know, like, what can I do? How can I scream louder? Like, why can you not hear me? I am so crying out for help. And, you know, to have literally, like, passed away gone to the other side and then come out of that. So this trauma that was around that was around that it was around what? Maybe can you dig a little bit deeper into where you think that came in? Was that around? The fact that you came out the other side and you maybe felt that you didn't deserve to I don't want to put words in your mouth? I'm just really curious about that whole part of it.

Joanne Campbell: 00:09:33

Yeah. And I think for me, you know, like when I died, you know, and I have a lot of people they hear me say say this and they say to me, you know like you died literally like you died and I'm like, Yes, I very deeply know I died. I know I went to a place whether it'd be you know, some people would say it's between heaven and earth or whatever. You know, I went to this this energetic place of, of total peace and in that place, it taught me that life Everything we have happened in our lives is a choice. Some things are bought into our life without choice. But we have a choice whether we're going to process them in a way that is going to belittle us or whether we're going to process them in a way that's going to empower us. And I think that, that that was what I really learned in that space. You know, my nan was with me, my Nana had passed away in the March before I found out I was pregnant with Darcy. And my nan was my confidence. She was my everything she was the person that I could go to, and there was no judgment, there was nothing but hope for me, there was nothing but you know, I want for her to want me to succeed. And I feel like that space, and I know that Darcy was in that space with me too. Because in that while I was in that experience, experiencing that, my nan was holding on to my baby. And, and she didn't speak to me in words, she spoke to me in energy. You know, she spoke to me in a way where I just knew what she was saying to me when she looked at me. And I was, yeah, it was a very, very powerful place. My nan told me in that place that I needed to go back because I had chose to, and that had great things to achieve in my life. And that dusty needed me. And, and I remember the struggle that I felt after, you know, when I came back, I remember asking the midwife, she was standing beside the bed, and I remember asking her, you know, is my baby alive? And she said to me, Yes, sweetheart, you are alive and your baby is alive.

Joanne Campbell: 00:11:31

And I remember in that moment, this great grief coming to me and me feeling like all I wanted to do was go back and be with my Nan. And that was the starting point for me was, I think it was the degree of peace that I had felt in that place. That was like nothing I had ever felt before. And that is what I've held on to, I think now like now I've learned to live my life again, and to be who I am, here on Earth to be. I think now Now I understand what that sense of pieces and that I can hold on to that still now without having to go back to that place. And I am a big believer that it's the process and the people and the business that I'm doing now. And all the mindset training that that has offered me and support that has helped me realize that those things are possible for us in life.

Claire Markwick: 00:12:27

Yeah, and whatever has got us to whatever point we've got to and that's that's something I've noticed through every conversation I have with with people who are in this business at whatever level, you know, people from different countries, people from different backgrounds, men, women, different ages, everyone has got to a point where they've realized, like you said, there's a choice. And it's a crossroads. Like I keep going down this way, and who the hell knows where my life is going to end up. Because I know this route is not serving me, but it's the comfortable one, or I can make a choice and I can I can step into a different direction, I can step into the unknown, I can be courageous, I can trust myself, and forge forward that way. And yeah,

Joanne Campbell: 00:13:13

isn't. And I'm totally with you on that one clear?

Claire Markwick: 00:13:16

Yeah, it's just I find it so empowering. And so like, I have to say, you know, 10 out of 10, you're top of the table for your, for your, for your store for the for the for the moment for you. But you know, let's Joking aside, like everyone's point is their maximum isn't it is it's their line in the sand is the maximum that they can, that they can stand and, and I think it's really incredible. Like, for me, this was like I I resonated with what you said in the beginning. And as much as Terry and I have always contributed equally to our family finances, I've never been, I've never ever wanted to be the housewife. And is to have Terry provide and that he was always a 5050 It was always we do this together. We're a team. And so when I've got in a place where I felt I wasn't contributing financially, that starts to eat at me inside and you know, for people that could that could say, well, there's work to do there. You know, raising a family is work as well. You don't have to earn money to feel worthy. But where do you sit on that? Because I believe I don't know about you but I believe there is a relationship between the amount of money that we earn and the work that we feel where do you where do you sit with that? Yeah, I

Joanne Campbell: 00:14:35

think I'm with you on that one in the way of that there is but at the same time, you know, like for me part of my journey has been to learn to live you know, live that slowing slowing life down a little bit more being more present. And for me for a long period of time. I was so money driven, you know, being in debt since I was 21 years of age with my husband and we got into debt on buying property because we needed somewhere To professionally trained horses, because we were doing that out of rentals, and that was causing us to struggle, because when we lost a rental, we then had to then try and keep our business running. But running from where, right? Yeah, so it got to a point where we had to get into debt to step out of that. And when you're having animals, like we've got horses, we've got cows, we've had dogs, rental markets really difficult. And so we had to make the choice to get into the debt. So the work was important somewhat. And I think we're, we were really lucky in the way that we did start it so late, as hard as that was, and how we've lost so much of those younger years of our life, because we had that debt, and we're having to work so hard for it, to keep it you know, the last 15 or so years, it's gotten to a point now where, where we're like, Well, if we hadn't have done that, prior to having our kids would, would we still be able to be where we are now, you know, we're starting to slow down life, we're starting to step back from things, you know, we're hoping to be debt free within the next 12 to 18 months, hoping to semi retire my husband because he refuses to be 100% retired, apparently. That's not happening, who wants to be six months, like you said, at the start six months of the traveling six months of the year here at home, because our property gets quite wet in winter. So working horses from here, we're just not as easy. So I've negotiated on that retirement deal, which is fine. But like you, you know, money is

Joanne Campbell: 00:16:32

important, but at the same time, there's so many more things that you can develop in life to develop that feeling of worthiness, you know, like, Absolutely, for sure, for me, you know, getting in and homeschooling my kids and, and feeling worthy that I have things to teach them. Yeah, that's been a big one. But that for me, you know, in doing that, it's also saving me money. But at the same time, it's nurturing my kids and giving my girls what they need in life, you know, the love the being with them all the time, the lifestyle, you know, they're learning to harvest the garden and where their food comes from, and living on the farm and loving life and learning to love life, you know, learning that life isn't all about just working the nine to five. One does. Yeah, it does play a big part, but we need not, not to allow it to become unbalanced, you know, in in worth us feeling worthy without money and then us feeling worthy with money. You know, there has to sort of be a balance between both because I think if you rely on that worthiness only being money based you lose the worthiness of of self worth, you know, and love for yourself and a love for life and a love for family without that money.

Claire Markwick: 00:17:48

Absolutely, I think there's this balance isn't there, it's like, like, it's not like you're able to, you're able to live the life that you live now. And you you are projecting to live the life that you plan to move in the next 1218 24 months because of the choices that you made. And because you're setting yourself up financially to do so. And I think that's the that's that's kind of the maybe where I was going more with the money gives us choice doesn't it and our money to live our life, the way that we want to live it and if we are in a position where we are, where we don't have the money we need to live the life we want that aligns with our values, that's when it can eat away at our self esteem and our worth and our confidence, isn't it? And that's where to chip away at us.

Joanne Campbell: 00:18:37

Because we start to give up those things because our we don't have the money. We don't know we can't be that because we don't have the money. You know, and then then there's excuses starts to slip in there. When really, if we had done something about getting the money, there would be no excuse. So it is really about having that balance between between self worth without money and then it with money. You know, what, what can we do with money, money allows us, you know, when we were on retreat, Margaret said, you know, money money is what allows us then to make that impact. Because without that money, there's minimal things you can do to make impact. You know, like my, my one little thing I did for impact today was I have a young girl that works for me and she's new, she doesn't talk and and we employed her going on to three months ago now and her family absolutely lovely, her dad, her dad has some medical issues and I know that they're struggling for money a little bit and we harvested our garden yesterday. And so what I did was I made up a little box for them and me being able to, to offer that to them. You know, that didn't cost me any money. It was within that I had something to offer. I made them a box of veggies and I gave them an arm full of silverbeet and I gave them some eggs knowing that they didn't have access to that I gave it just willingly and I want to be able to you know I want to be able to walk up to people and give them packages that are worth 1000s of dollars and make impact at the same way emotionally that can change their life. Yeah, that's the way I see this impact, you know, like, Yes, I gave them them little today, but but to them, that was huge. Yeah, money is going to allow me to do things where I can, you know, do homeless runs and give homeless people food and be able to build gardens and grow things to an extent where I can offer these things to people, you know, build an eco village that allows me to offer

Joanne Campbell: 00:20:39

them a whole week living on my property for free, not just a night here and a night there, and then they're out on the street again, you know, a month even where you can offer them food, you can offer them a place where life can change as they know it. You know, that's the type of impact that money allows us to have.

Claire Markwick: 00:20:57

I think, I think that is just incredible. And I love your I love your vision, I love your energy, like I feel your kind of nurturing, caring, it just oozes out of every cell of you like I can feel it through the computer screen. It's just, it's just, it's awesome. And I and I love that you've really highlighted that because I think I think there's this misconception that having a having an online business that has the potential to make us millions is you know, is this thing that the materialistic up themselves people do and then they really are rubbing in people's faces and stuff. But it's not what it's about is it's not at all it's not what it's about. It's it's about this impact and what choices that having the money allows us to make isn't and then then the ripples like imagine the repulsive of that kind of lifestyle on your kids, and the upbringing they're going to have and the beliefs they're going to have? And what they think is what they know, is possible by having that sort of upbringing, seeing their parents do that, how awesome is that? Definitely,

Joanne Campbell: 00:22:03

definitely, and being able to realize that each person has something individual to offer, you know, they don't have to make impact in the same way I make impact or how you make impact Claire, it's a matter of how can they make impact in their lives, that's going to affect millions of people around them in the way that that they have to offer it? Because it's not, you know, like, I have a lot of people come to me, you know, within this business, and they'll say to me, I just I couldn't do what you're what you're doing, or, or No, I can't see that being possible for me. And I know that you would probably have experienced that too. And it's like, well, can you can you be you? Because that's what we're, that's that's what this business is asking from you. It's, you know, that's what this lifestyle is asking from you. What is it that you desire within your life that makes this possible for you. And I think that, that when they start to think about that, and they start to realize, I think people get so used to thinking about, you know, I need to do things that are going to impact me being able to pay my mortgage, me being able to develop money to live my best life, or me being able to, you know, pay for this or buy that and it's not about that it's about once you've got everything you need, then then where do you go from there because there's, there's this overflow of of want for like now I feel like my mindset and, and my heart is so full of self worth and so full of things to offer other people that now there's this overflow of it, you know, and like you're saying that you're experiencing through through the camera with me that this is huge overflow and this huge want to offer this to people and to for people to know that there are opportunities out there for them. That allows them to be able to experience you know what I've experienced, but maybe in a different way that that's that's them. Exactly.

Claire Markwick: 00:23:56

And I literally, I literally did a share on that earlier this week, because I hear it so often. I could never do what you do Claire, I could never do what you do, Claire, I'm like, that's the point you're not supposed to. Like I do me You do you, Joanne, you're doing you? Like we all do ask. But I think the scary thing, and this is something I was just talking to someone else about just before is that we don't always give ourselves the opportunity to think about what it is that we do want. Do we like exactly. It's really easy to kind of say, well, you know, I don't like my job. I wish I lived in a bigger house. I don't like this. I don't like feeling this. I wish I didn't have to do that. Like that is really easy to talk about and really easy to articulate. But that ain't gonna get us anywhere. You know, sitting in that room. I don't like this. I don't want this in that negative below the line kind of space like we're not going to break out of anything and go anywhere in that space. Are we like

Joanne Campbell: 00:24:54

to a point where people become so blank to it like they're like, oh, it's not possible for In May, so you say to them, when they say, Oh, I'm down in a hole, you know, I'm in a really dark place, I let you know, I've got this young girl at the moment that I'm constantly communicating with, and she has come out of a really abusive relationship, and she's in this really hard place right now. And I'm saying, hey, you know, I'm throwing a rope down to you that that's there for you to catch, you're going to take it and she's like, Oh, Robert, you know, I just don't think that this is, you know, gonna be for me. And I said, Well, you know, just getting in the mindset training, think about where is it that you need to step right now for you that then don't don't think our Business Big Business Big, big things that because that's like, that's goes down the track, you know, what is this need to be for you right now? In this moment? Yes. Because for every different person, it's going to be something different. You know, we've got people that walk into this that don't need the mindset training, because they're already thinking wealthy, they're already thinking in a fabulous money mindset. They've already investing mindset, they've already got this idea of, of putting money to create this amazing world that they will want to make impact in. And then we've got other people that come in and just think, oh, no, it's not possible for them. And then when they start to put their foot in, they put their foot in, and then they take the foot out, and then they put their foot in, and they take their foot out. And they go, Oh, hold on a minute. This has got me now. You know, this has got me now. I mean, yeah. I mean, and then there's other people that just come all in, you know, like, it's to a point where I love that I can offer this to all different sorts of people. And it is something different for each of them. You know, for me, originally, I didn't come

Joanne Campbell: 00:26:39

here for the money because I needed the help with my mindset. I needed help from where I was. And it was that for me, I already had the mindset or had the investment in the business mindset that for me was, was the easy part that I now look at, how do I want this to change my life? How do I want this to affect and change other people's lives? And yeah, it's a really, it's really, it's so special, just how many different elements it has, in the way you can offer it.

Claire Markwick: 00:27:10

Absolutely. And that's what, that's what I really love. So for me, coming from an accounting and business background, you know, I couldn't, I knew I knew my driver was financial. To begin with, I knew I was in a in a rut financially, I knew I'd lost the Mojo for my business as it was, I was so exhausted, I was so burnt out, I was so done, you know, I couldn't serve in the way that I needed to serve to earn the money that I needed to make, I was like, I just can't do this anymore. So I knew I needed to find something else that was going to bring me money in. And at that point, it was survival money, you know, it wasn't about materialistic new car, fancy clothes, holidays, kind of like living it up lifestyle, it was survival money, it was like, Okay, I need to cover my foundations. And for me, that was this wasn't going to be the covering the foundations, you know, I knew that I needed to get back professionally and have a reset. And so that was where my that was, that's where my job is. That's the role of my job is the financial security, the professional reset the bills being paid. But then I also knew the entrepreneurial side of me wasn't was going to get bored very quickly, if I didn't give that that creative side something to focus on. And I enjoy my job and I love my team too much to put them through Claire getting distracted with shiny things again, so I'm like I need to have something that I can focus on that that satisfies that shiny sparkly thing. This allows me to be here as well. I'm going off on a bit of a tangent but stick with me and so yeah, what what was my drawer and where you said you know you needed the mindset help I needed I needed something that I knew that I could focus on and grow on the size. Like it didn't have to be my main thing it was something I could grow on the side and it was something that could allow me to feel hope again and allow me to get excited again and and I could not as a numbers girl, I could

Claire Markwick: 00:29:19

not unsee the numbers when I watched that first maths class and had it all had the whole thing presented to me I'm like well,

Joanne Campbell: 00:29:26

I don't right you look you go wow, this is like whoa, hold on a minute and when you've been in business when you've been in business and you start to like add up okay, like you would know as an accountant you know like the business expenses and your your outlays and everything and then you know what you're earning income in that and I we've been earning a decent amount of money, there's not a small amount of money with the amount of debt we've had, we've needed to make money. So you know, we're sitting on $140,000 worth of worth of income coming in, but then you watch the expenses, the expenses just get more and more and more and more and more Well, you know, horse feed, and then the more horses, you got to training for money, the more feed you got to buy, and then the more cost it is, and then then your interest rate goes up, and you're paying more on your mortgage and the expenses go up and up and up. But this is this, I look at it, and I go, and there's expenses, like, where are the expenses? The thing is expensive, but but because of my business, I'm like, this is free to buy my econ every couple of months. And if I add that out of a weekly thing, it's only costing me you know, like, 10 bucks. And then I'm like, Okay, well, let's look at, let's look at where I bought my system and how everything's functioning and, and maintenance on that. And I'm looking at it going, like this business that's making me quite a lot of profit. So you know, like, when you look at it like that, you right, you can't unsee that you can't unsee that, especially when you've got an investor's and a business mindset. Once you've got the in front of you, you're just like, what, okay, how do I get to that? Where it makes me that? Because that's the amount of money I want. And that's the amount of money that's going to allow me to make impact. Yeah, and survive. And how do I get to that, you know, and as soon as you come into that, your mindset, just, you can't come

Joanne Campbell: 00:31:15

back from it.

Claire Markwick: 00:31:16

You can't but that's the difference, though, isn't it? Because there's, there's there's two groups of people I've noticed there's there's people that are just like, Holy hell. Alright, how quickly can I get there? Because once I'm there, I'm set. I'm comfortable. My basic needs are met. And yeah, that was me as well. Oh, my. Okay. Right. Okay, so that's like six people, seven people. Yep. Right. Cool. You know, it's like, it's not many is it? And then, and then. But then you get people that like, Okay, how much does this cost? And how much does that cost? And what's that? What, you know, how much do you pay for the monthly, like access to the platform, and I'm like, you know, it to me, that's this, nothing, nothing Exactly. For everything that's in there. And for all the everything that it does, like we don't make a single sale. Like we don't have to do any of that do we like we don't do any of the paperwork, we don't do any of the, the like the legal stuff, dotting eyes crossing T's or the boring shit, we don't do any of that. We have.

Joanne Campbell: 00:32:16

Yeah, live and breathe a product that we love. That, of course, allows us to live the best life because we then show other people how we're doing what we're doing. And then the rest of the hard work is done for us. And then before we know it, there's a check in the bank. And you're like, what, like, once you realize once you realize how, how simple it is, you know, like I think people don't they worry too much about all the other stuff. And instead of like rolling with the flow of it, and then just allowing it to be what it is. And then when that first step comes in, it really really solidly instills, you know, this is real, what you've just stepped into is real. And, and 1000s of people are doing you know, like, I had one lady say to me the other day, already 1000s of people are doing it. Like then Then how come? Not everybody not? How come? I haven't heard about it before you? Do you know how big the internet is? Or how big the world is? Billions and billions? Yeah, and so like when I said that to when she said that, to me, I was like, Do you know how big the world is? Do you have any humans that are in the world, and then I Googled how many humans are out in the world, giving us a ridiculous amount of people. And like, will like easy 70% Less be like a little lenient. 70% of those people are on the internet, right? And so I then sent her that figure, and I was like, so. So I'm telling you that 1000s of people are doing this. And then she's like, Oh, but if 1000s of people were doing it, I would have heard about it through more people than you. And it's an impossibly tomatoes. But when there's this many people within the world, you know, we're that tiny little 1% that I hear wanting to make impact with this business model. And when I said that to her, she was like, Yeah, okay. Okay, so you're telling me it could be that that 1%? I said, Yeah, we're in like a niche market right now. You know, before we know it before, we know it's going to

Joanne Campbell: 00:34:11

boom, and it's gonna be way more than just that little niche market. You know, we're getting we're getting in at the bottom of the curve, which I've heard our leaders say before, you know, that, that there's a huge amount of impact to happen here. Still,

Claire Markwick: 00:34:24

I love the analogy. And I forget it was one of our leaders shared it. He was he was sort of describing the whole lifecycle of this business. The company we're aligned with has a 500 year vision, don't know and they're they're approaching the 50th year it's their 50th year anniversary next year. So it's not it's not some newfangled thing, but could first five years is 50 years old already. I keep meaning to goods and how old Tupperware is, you know, because that's a that's a network marketing business. Everybody knows and everyone trusts like Tupperware is always going to be there. So I keep meaning to Google that date. I must do that. This is where A 500 year vision and he he described it as like a marathon. He's like where in the marathon Do you think we are right now? And you know, people are saying our first 10 K's first five K's you know, lining up at the starting line. And he's like we tying up the shoe laces of our freakin shoes. He's like, we haven't even got to the starting line yet. He said, and we are here doing it. And, and that to me, like, that just got my like, energy inside just bubbling up my mind. This is so freakin exciting. We are like, right at the start still have something that soon? Yeah, and I was having this conversation with someone in the UK the other day, because, you know, it's a Japanese company. So obviously, it's starting to expand more in the side of the world where we are right now. And it's slowly spreading its way across, sort of across to Europe and, and things and I was like that don't see that as a negative, like, that's your that's even more of a positive than we are here in Australia, you know, you can

Joanne Campbell: 00:36:03

claim because they're more of an age. Yeah. And then

Claire Markwick: 00:36:07

then within like a week of that conversation, one of our leaders share some seven figure, multimillion dollar entrepreneur in the UK has joined because she sees the potential in it. And like the ego, like she doesn't need to do that for financial reasons. So she's seeing the impact. She's seeing what what this what this can do. And I just think bloody, bloody brilliant.

Joanne Campbell: 00:36:30

It shows you right, you're on the money they're claiming because it were it was at the bottom of a movement that is just gonna get huge, it's gonna get beyond us, you know, we're gonna be we're gonna be 90 100 year old ladies sitting there going yeah.

Claire Markwick: 00:36:45

And look at what we've created. Look at the trail of lives that we have, that we've impacted, and, you know, the ripples and, and to me, and you sort of said it earlier, as well, like, that's, that's one thing that's really important to me is the ripples and being an example being a role model for my kids. And I know that's important to you, as well. And I think that's something that we really get to be in this space as well, isn't it?

Joanne Campbell: 00:37:13

Yeah, and showing our kids what's possible, you know, like, the things that it's allowed me to do with them, you know, and getting me back being the present mum that I am and being able to work my far more and being the elements of, you know, I can have my kids with me all the time. You know, we weren't, we weren't, we were born and bred and raised to be that. And that has been a very, very powerful thing for me as a mom to realize that, you know, I always had this deep, deep want within me to never send my kids to daycare. And I was like, Well, I'd rather them stay with my husband while I went to do something or whatever, like, stay within the family, you know, and I don't have well, because we live two and a half hours south of Perth, I don't have that my parents, my family aren't close. And my husband's family are in Mora, which is like four and a half hours from us. So because who is so big, so for me, I never really had the option to call my family. And I always felt like, well, I'm a mom, you know, I look after my babies. And you know, I have had clients say to me, oh, you know, I'd prefer you to bring your child to the arena, even when my baby was sitting on the edge of the arena playing in the sand while I coach, you know, she didn't move from where she was. But and I started to think, you know, what, what's happening within society, where were these sorts of things. And it wasn't necessarily about the safety of my child being there, it was just the fact that my child was there. And

Claire Markwick: 00:38:40

for whatever,

Joanne Campbell: 00:38:41

I remember thinking to myself, but she's there, she's not bothering anybody, she's digging in the sand on the edge of the arena outside of the arena. She she knew the rules not to not to go from where she was, she stayed like as if there was an imaginary tether between me and her because she got used to being with me on the farm all the time. So it wasn't like she was a kid that would just run off and you wouldn't know where she was. She was very good in that way. Or she'd sit down and she'd watch a movie on the phone or something like that. So it but I realized in that moment when I had clients say those sorts of things to me that it had become societally normal for your kids not to be with you. And I was like, hold on a minute. This is this is a trend that I don't know, I don't know how I feel about that. And for a long time, I was like, I want my kids to be with me, you know? So I started saying, Oh, well, the kids can sit in the car while I do that, because I started to realize that it was bothering the clients and then then this day came and I went, you know what, I'm just not going to do it anymore. Then I'm just gonna say to the client, I can't come today. I've got my children with me. And it'll be it'll have to be a day. It'll have to be a day where my kids can't come with me if you're not comfortable with that. Because it was they needed to acknowledge that it was something they were uncomfortable with, not me. And I think there was a bit of a turning point there for A, as a mom, I started to realize, no, I have the rights to be a mum, I have the right to be a working mum, like you say not having to choose between living the life being the mum and earning the money. Yeah, and so many mothers are put in that position, they're put in that position where they have to choose. And that was, that was a big thing for me, I always was uncomfortable with the choosing. And so for me, it did drive me a lot into this business as well, in

Joanne Campbell: 00:40:29

the lifestyle changes that I've been able to implement, because I can have my kids with me,

Claire Markwick: 00:40:35

I love it, I love it. And I could just keep on talking to you, but I'm conscious of time. If there's someone listening, you know, maybe there's someone who has gone through something as extreme as you and is in that stage now of shouting in that room, and no one's hearing them. Or maybe it's someone who's just who's trapped in that monotony of day to day and knows, feels deep within their soul that that there's more that they're meant for more, but they feel totally and utterly trapped. Like they feel down in that hole without a rope, what would your advice be to that woman?

Joanne Campbell: 00:41:13

Ah, I suppose watch and see what others are doing. listen to other people's stories, you know, keep your eyes and your heart open. Don't be closed. And don't be close to opportunity. Because I believe that it was opportunity that made this possible for me. And seeing that the opportunity was there and then not turning it away. Being willing to understand that I had a choice to take control of what was happening and go right, I need something I need to change something and that have that be what I saw gene implementing to be that changed for me. And and maybe what Claire's offering is that is that change for you, you know, and that it's so important that you don't turn away that opportunity just because you think you can't, because you can.

Claire Markwick: 00:42:00

Absolutely I love that. And you know, you would have seen it at their treat, I've got a t shirt that says actually I can. And every time I wear that shirt, I feel the power of those words, because we sometimes have to remind ourselves because, like, anything different to what we're currently doing is unknown. And that's scary. And we can tell ourselves that we're not going to be able to do that. Because that's more comfortable, we don't actually have to lean into the fear. We don't have to lean into the unknown if we decide to just stay comfortable with where we're at. We don't have to lean into the unknown. But I really hope that through people listening to your story, and all the other stories on this podcast that what we're doing is we are creating this movement of women and men who have got the courage to step into the unknown, who have got their eyes wide enough open to see opportunity that's in front of their face, and to then have the courage to trust themselves enough to at least take a look like it cost does it?

Joanne Campbell: 00:43:05

No, definitely not. And always remembering you know? If not now When? And then if not you who? Who's gonna do it if you don't do it.

Claire Markwick: 00:43:15

That's a powerful one. That one hit me harder about why that's powerful.

Joanne Campbell: 00:43:18

I love that one you know that if you if you're not going to do it, then who's going to go before you to do it? And you know, in so many ways, you've got to always be thinking of if you don't do it now then when are you going to do it because life Life is so short and life carries on without us if we decide we want to stand still we stay standing still. Or we decide we're going to live the life that we want to live and it's a matter of choosing If not now When? And if not you then who?

Claire Markwick: 00:43:48

Oh my gosh, I absolutely love it. I absolutely love it. Thank you so much. I'm going to put if you're okay with it. I'm going to put all your socials and contact details in the show notes of this episode. So anyone who has resonated with your story and maybe wants to ask you questions or understand a little bit more about what you do and how you do it, they can reach out to you. And if there is anyone listening who is like okay, all right, like show me like okay, my eyes are open, I'm ready to see then my contact details are in the show notes of this episode as well. DM me the words masterclass Joanne, and we'll send you something that will start to get you rolling on this journey. You can have a look at some information, and then decide if it's something you want to look into or not because that's that's where it starts, isn't it? It's not like you commit to something and sign your life away within the first DM. It's not like that.

Joanne Campbell: 00:44:40

Not exactly it's a process and it's a process that is going to be right for you. However, it's done.

Claire Markwick: 00:44:47

Exactly. Thank you so much. Well, I've really had heaps of fun I've really enjoyed this and I trust everyone has got a stack load of value out of this conversations and thank you so much.

Unknown: 00:44:57

No problems Claire. Keep making an impact man

Claire Markwick: 00:45:01

I just love every single thing about that conversation that we have just listened to Joanne is an incredible woman who has gone through something that most of us will never ever experience and can never ever say that we fully understand. But I think for her, it just it acted as the ultimate life pivot, the ultimate crossroads, as she described it, where, where she got to make a choice and and she got to decide, you know, what, what, where do I go from here? What do I do? What, what is going to make the most impact what is going to make my life have some kind of meaning. And I just think, I just think it was it's so inspirational, it was so moving, I had goosebumps listening to her speak, and I love how every single person I meet and get to talk to who is in this high ticket affiliate marketing business that I am in you, everyone comes at it from a slightly different perspective. And I think how Joanne looks at things in terms of creating wealth, creating money to allow her and her family to live the way that they want to live freely with choice with freedom. And then from there, once they have once they have that foundation, it's like right now what impact can I make? How can I use this vehicle? How can I use this business? How can I use this wealth, this abundance? This? This authority I'm creating here? How can I use that to make more impact? How can I impact more lives? How can I impact more people? How can how can I spread these ripples even further and I think that just comes from such a beautiful soul and I feel really really privileged to have been able to share Joanne's story with your and I trust that you all got a stack load of value. We were literally messaging after we recorded that interview and just saying you know this, this was so fun, like we should collaborate more and and I'm all for collaboration, I am all for bringing women together bringing people together to inspire and empower others because there is something about the

Claire Markwick: 00:47:39

energy of women in particular who are you know, who are vibrating higher who are lit up who are excited who are forging forward on a path, you can't help but be sucked into that energy you can't help but be that be impacted by it, you know, our energy is infectious. And I always want to make sure that mine is worth catching you I want people around me to feel good to feel empowered to feel lit up and I love how everyone brings their own essence to it and everyone brings their own flavor to it and and it is just yeah such a privilege to be in this space and be able to share these stories with you all so I trust you absolutely loved it. If you did and it has inspired you to go far out you know, okay, I need to I really want to be a part of this or I really want to understand what being a part of this might look like. Then hit me up in the links that are in the show notes to this episode and DM me masterclass Joanne, and I'll send you some information, I'll send you a video that you can watch and it it just goes into what what this business is all about. And more importantly, why myself and my team are using it as our vehicle to create our life by design instead of living one by accident. So all of Joanne's contact details are in the show notes to this episode, so please feel free to reach out to her if any of your story any of her story resonated with you and all of my contact details and DM links are in the show notes as well and you can follow me on social as Claire Markwick on Facebook and Claire underscore Markwick on Instagram already. Until next week. Bye bye