Conversation with a naturopath: The power of water for health & wealth!

Claire Markwick: 00:00:09

Every story starts with a dream. A dream of someone wanting more. A dream of a life that might feel so unrealistic right now yet you know deep down in your soul you're destined for. My name is Claire Markwick. Accountant, business coach, affiliate marketer, mom, wife and woman with a dream. A fierce dream rising up within me. A dream that fires my soul and a dream I am committed to making a reality. Based woman rising is a podcast that celebrates those with a dream. Those courageous enough to think outside their current reality and make what's in your heart come true. If I've learned one thing over the years, is that the only surefire way of staying stuck in a stale mediocre life is believing that's all you're capable of. Believing your own bullshit excuses and not finding the strength to stretch beyond them. I held myself back. I played safe I stayed where I was for far too long, but not anymore. I want a life of passion. Have fun adventure, laughter love. I want deep conversations belly laughs health, strength, balance. I want confidence, sexiness, fulfillment and the money to do as we please without limitation. I want the life of my dreams. So I'm here creating it. And I want that for you too. So welcome my friend, to fierce woman rising, the show that awakens your mind and kickstarts your action to creating the life you love. Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of the fierce woman rising podcast. I am thrilled to be back in your ears. We had a little bit of a break last week. And quite frankly, that's just because life got busy. And I'm making the choices to record these episodes when I have something amazing to share rather than forcing them out. And today I have something that I am really, really excited to share. I want to introduce you to the beautiful Leann Jenkins Liana is a former teacher now naturopath have over 25 years we were just talking about It's scary how the time flies, isn't it so scary. And I'm so excited

Claire Markwick: 00:02:24

by this conversation because I'm I just I love hearing people's stories from you know, where they started to where they are now. And I I also love I've been so excited to have this conversation with you. Because for anyone following this show and following my journey on social media, you know, we're both in the business of Enagic. And we both live and breathe this amazing water and this product that we affiliate with. And so to get your, your health and your medical perspective on it as well. It's just going to be so awesome. And I'm really excited for where this conversation goes. So welcome Leanne here. Yeah, yes,

Leanne Jenkins: 00:03:02

it's funny. I we had one of our nephews today. And so he's 22. And he said, oh, so what's your day at home looking like today? And I said, I'm doing an interview on a podcast this afternoon. And he's like I know I'm famous.

Claire Markwick: 00:03:24

Awesome what we get to do like, it's it's so good. So why don't we start for those who for those who don't know, you, let me let me ask you to share a little bit about yourself. share a bit about your background, and sort of how you got from teaching to where you are now. Well, it was

Leanne Jenkins: 00:03:44

interesting, because I don't even really wasn't really meant to be a teacher. You know, during year 12. My mom and dad had always said you're not going to uni. And so I didn't really have a lot of ambition post year 12 I wasn't sure what I was going to do. I'd originally wanted to be a chef and I thank God I got over that. But I wasn't sure and then, I don't know probably halfway through the year of Utah, my mum said you're allowed to go to uni. Because he always thought if I went to uni, I'd be coming out a bra burning feminist. I'm not sure why but that was mom's idea what was going to happen. So I looked around and I thought, What do I want to do? And I always had a passion for health. And I always had a passion for nutrition. So I thought I was applying for a course that I could go on and become a dietician or nutritionist or something like that. And this is how much effort I put into reading the course and I ended up in a homak teaching course. Last but

Claire Markwick: 00:05:03

not not strong,

Leanne Jenkins: 00:05:05

was not strong at that time at all. And I grew up with two teachers as parents, and I'd always worn black and blue, I'm not going to pay attention because I saw what they did. I saw their dedication, their devotion, you know, the hours of, of work after school, the hours during holidays, and that sort of thing. So I looked at that, and I thought, You know what, I just don't want that. Anyway, that's what I ended up doing to start with, but I always knew when I went in there, it wasn't going to last. I just didn't know what that other thing was. It's funny

Claire Markwick: 00:05:42

how you get those like I was, I'm sort of the same. I've always had this feeling that there was something else, but I just didn't know what the something else was. Anyhow, some people have that, isn't it? Well, I think it's

Leanne Jenkins: 00:05:55

my cause. And I went overseas for two months in that interim period, before I knew I was coming back, and supposedly gonna get a job. And I thought, right, I'll just go away, have a break, come back, going to teaching. And then as I was flying back in, I thought, okay, I always like to set a goal of where I'm going. Next one's going to be my next overseas trip. And I thought, right, all right, in four years time, the Olympics are on. I will take a year off. I will travel the world. And I will decide if I still want to be a teacher. Nice, good goal. It was a goal. And I did do it. And I still didn't make my mind up. Back to teaching. Love it. And then

Claire Markwick: 00:06:50

within the next Olympics, if I right, okay, next boy.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:06:54

Actually, you'd be putting clothes on. Do you know what it is? It was love, but it was just on one of those Christmas holiday timeframes. And I was lying in bed, and I had a well being magazine. And I flipped it open towards the back and there's this course become a naturopath. And I just looked at it, and I went, Oh my God, that's me. That's what I want to do. So I was lucky, I was changing schools. They couldn't offer me a full time job. They could offer me four out of five days. When I contacted the naturopathic college, they said, Look, you know, you work from home, in the tasting for working from home. And I'll study from home. I was lucky enough where we lived, there was a branch of the college. And so that fifth day was always my study day for for swapping across. So there was a bridging time where both was happening. Yeah. That's

Claire Markwick: 00:08:04

awesome. So then, that was that was 25 odd years ago. Yeah, study. And the rest is history. So to speak. Yeah.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:08:16

I went back to teaching a couple of times in that timeframe. But yeah, I'm just so glad not to be there anymore. It's

Claire Markwick: 00:08:25

fine, isn't it? I think I think we all and we chatted a little bit about this before we started recording, you know, particularly as teenagers and school leavers, we kind of we get this idea of you've got to make this plan for the whole rest of your life. But, I mean, we never have have we been, I think in the time that we live now. Like it's even less important, so to speak. It's just a case of, like, let's just let's choose something that allows us to live how we want to live and see where life takes us.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:08:58

Well, the second time, or is it the third time I went back to anywhere, it doesn't matter. The second or third time I went back to teaching, because it was kinda like, oh, let's top the income up. Yeah. Through some teaching. And I moved back to a little country town with my hubby to work on their family farm. And I didn't believe like I had a thriving naturopathic practice, but I didn't believe that I could have a thriving practice in a small country term. I couldn't, yeah, I know. And then I changed my belief that that's another story. But so I went back to teaching and I suppose that little bit of life experience and that sort of thing just made me realized because they threw me back in at the level of teaching that I had already had gone out at, and I hadn't been teaching for 10 years. Wow. Yeah. And you know, social media come in. Personal mobile phones had come in it was a very different But different

Claire Markwick: 00:10:00

landscape completely.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:10:05

But that's when I ended up being, you know, a you 12 coordinator there, that's what I would say to kids, you know, Do not stress about what you choose to do after you 12. Because, statistically, in this generation, you're gonna stay with things for about four years, and you're gonna change. So, you know, just choose something, it doesn't have to be, you know, you're not going to do what your parents did, and stay with them something for 10 or 15 years, if you do, it's unusual. Absolutely,

Claire Markwick: 00:10:37

yeah, he's probably the best having done what we've done for over 20 years. But there's been I personally have had so many changes along the way, you know, I said, my, my very first accounting role was back in was back in 2004. Around March actually, so almost exactly 20 years. But I've, you know, I've done other things in in the mix there as well. And now we enter this space where, you know, the the online world and the online business world, when did that come into your sort of sphere, what you were doing?

Leanne Jenkins: 00:11:08

Well, besides my original qualifications with natural Pathy, because that was all self paced, you know. And then once a month, you would come down to the campus in Albury Wodonga have lectures, but everything else you had to do yourself. And then I topped up my qualifications with a degree. And that was through Charles Sturt. And that was online as well. And this was before it all became really popular. But if we look at online businesses, well, I suppose the marketing the multilevel marketing world and affiliate marketing. Like I think I started that when I was mid 20s. I've done about 15 different businesses, in terms of that, but a lot of that when it started, was your typical Party Plan face to face, you know, go around to someone's house, paint makeup on them, cleanser, face, etc. You know, yeah. Anyway, so it's slightly different now. Which I totally enjoy it, you know, meeting people in coffee shops and, and writing things on Serbia, it's unsure that you can still do that. But I enjoy what where it is now, especially in the in the Enagic business. Yeah,

Claire Markwick: 00:12:35

I think I think like so much of that. So much of that, like, back in the day type stuff is still what's stuck in so many people's heads, isn't it? And it's like, oh, I don't want to get I don't want to get involved in anything like that anything like work marketing, multilevel marketing, you know, it's too time consuming. It's so much work, yada, yada. I know, that was certainly me. It was you know, I sort of poo pooed it for years. And there was a part of me that was always drawn to sales, like I loved the, you know, the kind of the energy and the excitement and the vibe, but then at the same time, I've put so much work and there's no guarantee of money, and you just cast it aside, don't you but the landscapes changed so much.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:13:19

Well, I find, you know, often many naturopaths in the field, kind of looked down at affiliate marketing or MLM, and which I've always found, I don't understand because there's some some amazing products out there, that that's the only way you access it. So you access them through that. And either you work the business, or you don't, yeah, but you've got the product and for the benefit of the client. And from a sales point of view. I am in sales, because I have to sell me and my services. But if I want someone to achieve a certain result, sometimes I have to sell them a product that's going to support whatever that pathway of their body is to get to a whole new level. So sales, I didn't find it hard.

Claire Markwick: 00:14:13

It's really it's really interesting what you just said, because I had a conversation with my son's chiropractor just a couple of weeks ago. And she was saying the exact same thing she was like some of the products we we have here and that I recommend to clients so you know I bought on wholesale they're sold retail and that's fine. She had others are sold through, you know, independent distributors or you know, I have to be a distributor of them I earn commissions for them. They're part of a direct sales kind of structure. And she was saying that she has in the past had experience of clients who would suddenly goes to as soon as she recommended a product that was part of a of a sort of direct sales model is like oh, you're just trying to make money out of me and and it's kind of this like it's got this really negative stigma around it, whereas it's perfectly okay for her to have bought a product wholesale, sell it retail for a profit, that's fine. But as soon as people find out it's part of a year, and multilevel marketing, direct sales kind of structure, this kind of wall goes up doesn't and it's a must be frustrating, particularly for, for yourself in that health and wellness space. Like, you know, it's like, I'm genuinely not doing this, like I'm doing this because this is the best product for you. That's

Leanne Jenkins: 00:15:30

exactly right. Yeah. Sometimes

Claire Markwick: 00:15:32

can't see past the stigma. That must be frustrating.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:15:36

And I think, you know, if we look back at two, you know, probably the oldest one in Australia, there may be older ones, but I've certainly no poor old Amway, just the old way of doing business, there were pretty ruthless at times with how they worked with people. And of course, you know, you you made your list of 100 people one, then you hit up every every parent, every sibling, every aunt or uncle,

Claire Markwick: 00:16:06

every person you've ever said hello to in your life.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:16:10

Exactly right. And I think that has such a negative impact years down the line decades down the line for any other type of affiliate market or any other product that whether it's good for them or not.

Claire Markwick: 00:16:31

It's interesting, isn't it? I, I would really love to, I would really love to shift gears a little and understand what it was about this particular product. So the Enagic business that we're both a part of what it was about that how that came into your head? Did you say nephropathy? Yes, I want to say naturopath already but no, that's not right. How did how did this? How did this product? How did this come into your sphere of awareness? And how valuable Did you see it as as a product as a resource for your business really hard for your clients?

Leanne Jenkins: 00:17:14

How honest can I be,

Claire Markwick: 00:17:16

you can be totally on being this is I'm known for real, so be completely real. Don't want to hear the sugarcoated. Okay, story tell me real.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:17:27

The original reason why I was attracted to via a girlfriend, a mutual girlfriend. She came and stayed and she said, I'm in this business. And I have the impression it was like a water filter. And I have reverse osmosis water filter that I was using. And she said under it's really great. And my skin so soft. And and I'll bring you some water when we're staying next once again are worried. And I drank it. And I thought Yeah, it's beautiful and clean. And you know, it's soft in texture. And but I knew though it didn't feel any different to what I was already experiencing. So I said, you know, thanks. But no thanks sort of stuff. And then we went out to lunch, I didn't know that I was just tick tick ticking away in the background. I've been watching a little bit on what she was doing online as well. And I thought, I think I need to actually listen to what she's got to say about the whole business. So when she talked about the business, because I was just up to my eyeballs with clients, and me being the one man band doing everything, the reception, you know, doing the stock, photocopying, you name it,

Claire Markwick: 00:18:53

book work, and that's it, they would array in

Leanne Jenkins: 00:18:57

pick me. And I thought I just can't see myself fitting anything. And then to talk one on one with someone about either a business or a product. I just can't I don't have the scope for that. So the next thing as we're sitting there for lunch, because I was keen from the money perspective, yeah. The health aspect, I was still thinking it was a filter. I hadn't even gone down the molecular hydrogen pathway and all the amazing things that does for the brain. I was still thinking it was a filter

Claire Markwick: 00:19:39

out just a filter. I've already got not an iron.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:19:44

Okay. And and then when she was talking about that the business had a platform and it had a digital business specialist, who if someone was interested in the business, that you could just put them mean, and they will do all your work in terms of telling people all about it. And that was the boon. I said, I mean, love it. So for me, it was more about the potential to have. I'll call it a passive income, because my superannuation statement had come in. And I'd gone back like 15 grand, and it was the first year I'd been contributing on a weekly basis.

Claire Markwick: 00:20:32

And it went backwards. And then you see the statement, and yeah, it

Leanne Jenkins: 00:20:36

was like, boom, you know, you're getting older, you're getting closer, and you're going backwards. So something had to change, something had to be different. Yep. It's scary,

Claire Markwick: 00:20:51

isn't it? Like I was literally in a, in a client meeting this morning. And we were talking about superannuation. And I think the amount of people that don't think enough about, you know, sort of, like, we know that we know that all the story that we're conditioned to believe is normal is that we work and we reach 65, whatever it might be, we retire. And then and then we enjoy life. And we you know, we retire on all our hard work. But, you know, what we don't necessarily think about is, well, how much am I going to need, like to retire and live that life? And and have I got enough now and I honestly believe like, from 20 years in the accounting space, most people don't have enough. And and like you say, particularly women who have career breaks to have kids. And traditionally, whether you think it's right or not, don't always earn as much like we don't have that build up of that nest egg that, you know, we actually need. And I know for me, you know, certainly coming to Australia, from the UK in my 20s. You know, I'd already missed out on a few years of me, I was starting at zero Am I in my mid 20s. And then I had the break to get married and have kids and then I had the break when I had my own business. I'm like cheese was super balanced is scary. And I think I really don't think that enough people think enough about it. And it's just like, Oh, it'll magically be alright, I'll just retire when I'm 65. But a lot of us aren't going to be able to afford that. Oh, airy.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:22:34

I was lucky enough with my dad with his teaching and that sort of thing. And he and my mom both retired at fifth D one. Nice. Yeah, from teaching so. But he'd gotten me when I first started teaching, and I'm going to share my IG 1988 He got me put in 11% of my wage into super. Wow, how Yeah. And then of course, I changed pathways self employed, didn't contribute. Starting a Business didn't have enough money to do that. And when finally I did, it's going backwards. Yeah. Yeah. But it is it's a scary thing. And I looked at my mum and dad, when they retired so early. They ended up they it was one of those years where there are a lot of teaching packages going on. So they've worked it all out. And they thought, you know, for the extra all that they would have got worth their retirement, they could have had 10 years not being working as teachers, so they chose that option. But what that meant was there was like 1314 years where they couldn't access their super. So they could access the package that they retired on. But that was it. So what they had to do to survive. At one stage was they mum was really artistic. And so she used to paint on grass when it was fashionable. And she used to slump glass and make beautiful bits of art out of it. And they would go to markets. So every Saturday, every Sunday, they're packing the car. They've got the canopy out and they're offered a market some way somewhere, trying to earn enough money to live. And I thought you know what, I don't want to be doing that. I just do not want to be doing that.

Claire Markwick: 00:24:47

Yeah, I think I did a live literally about three minutes before we came on to record this conversation where we live in a time now where I honestly believe and this is could be a bit. This could be a bit polarizing, but I honestly believe if we're not living life how we want to, then that's a choice. Like there are so many, there are so many opportunities, and there are so many different ways that we can earn money in, in this day and age. Like if if we're choosing. If we're choosing struggle, we are choosing struggle, like if we're choosing to only look at things the traditional way. That's really limiting, isn't it? Yeah.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:25:35

Yeah. And that's why when, you know, our girlfriend came along and said, I think you really have to look at this. And I said, I think you're really wrong. Because I've always tried like to have tried 15 other different businesses, I was always prepared to work outside the box in terms of getting an extra income. Yep. And some of them are worked hard. And some of them I didn't. But none of them have ever provided what this business does.

Claire Markwick: 00:26:06

What do you think the difference for you with this one?

Leanne Jenkins: 00:26:12

The difference is their compensation plan for a start. That's there's nothing like that I have ever seen. A lot of the compensation plans basically unfair, you know, doing a binary thing balancing up, if you don't have the legs, even, you know, you don't get paid and all your effort just goes nowhere.

Claire Markwick: 00:26:35

Yeah. And you can put all this effort in and get to a level and then if you don't hit that level, the following month, you're straight back to God. Yeah, absolutely

Leanne Jenkins: 00:26:44

nothing. So I really think the compensation plan is is one of the the strengths, but also the strength is there is no competition, in terms of, you know, we can talk to another downline or that sort of thing, and they'll be there to support you and back you up or help you out. Whereas it was always a competition. You didn't speak to them. You didn't deal with them, you know? Yeah, it's a very different vibe.

Claire Markwick: 00:27:13

I've noticed that too. And I've considered what my my, what's the difference? like, Where's where's the cultural difference? How is the community developed differently, but I think what it actually bought or certainly what I believe it boils down to is sure the products that we sell, like they're they're expensive products, like it's high ticket is what is the jargon, but essentially what that means in layman's terms is it's expensive, you know, you've got to put down, you got to put down six grand to be to be getting one of these ionisers. And, like, that's a lot of money. And that can put a lot of people out, but because of that the the Commission's from one single sale can also be four figure commissions. And I think, I think that's the thing, isn't it, you know, it's not like hundreds or 1000s of people vying for the same $20 sale, in which case, it's all hustle, hustle, elbows out, elbows out, you know, bitching and carrying on about each other, like, it doesn't matter, like there is more than enough market for people to be to be creating a business that can really add significant financial benefit to our situation. If that kind of all makes sense.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:28:28

It does. And it the other day, because I still have some oils left, right from a previous company because I have a lot of world's lessons. You know, the old auto ship and everything comes every month and, and that sort of thing, because that's what you have to do to stay in business. And I looked at one, which is my absolute favorite. And it has a $3 markup. $3 Now how many of those am I going to have to sell to make a significant change to my life?

Claire Markwick: 00:29:07

Yes, quite a few 1000

Leanne Jenkins: 00:29:10

Wow. Just

Claire Markwick: 00:29:15

let's talk let's talk about this $6,000 water ionizer shall we? When When did you? When did you make the distinction when when did the penny drop when you were like ah, this isn't just this isn't a filter the water this went when was that realization?

Leanne Jenkins: 00:29:31

Look looking at the compensation plan helped me that was that was really big. Yeah, but even I reckon for the first couple of months. I was still talking about it as a filter. And I don't know I think it was, I'm used to going into anything. You do a deep dive, like it's, you know, 10 centimeters wide and it's a mile deep. So, you know, and you learn about it and You know that everything backwards, which is not the way this business works, knowledge tends to come with time. So it was months even before it really clicked to the level of our oh my god, this is amazing. This is mind blowing in terms of the level that it can help health. I really didn't know what I had my hands on,

Claire Markwick: 00:30:28

I am getting I'm totally putting my hand up as well. So I'm 12 months in now. And I reckon it's in the last month or two, that the Penny has finally started to drop my awe. And I feel like I can actually talk about it more and and I know, to my, to my husband, to my dad to probably to a lot of people around me, I thought, Well, how could you have invested that much money in something that you didn't understand. And I think that's something that that's something I can't explain logically, and you're probably the same, you know, you just kind of get this, get this feeling and whatever, that's a whole other conversation. But I think once that Penny started to actually drop for me, I'm like, Oh, my God, like, this is this is incredible. Like we have we in our family, we are very, very aware of food, and the impact that food has on our body, even food that's perceived as healthy. You know, our, our eldest son when he was younger, you know, he couldn't have watermelon. He couldn't have strawberries, he couldn't have apples. You know, there were so many healthy things that his body just couldn't tolerate. And so we've been very, very aware of food and the impact that it has, but I can behold lately bypassed water. I completely bypass water. I knew soft drinks were bad. I knew too much coffee and alcohol was bad. Did that stop me drinking them? No. But I completely bypass water, I had no clue as to the different types of and qualities of water. And I just think it's absolutely fascinating. Now the more I learn,

Leanne Jenkins: 00:32:06

well, for me. I grew up with a mom who was very, very ill at one stage. And so what saved her basically was a naturopath. And so our entire family's food and water was changed. So it's been very much a passion of mine. So for many, many years, so water, and the cleanliness of water has been uppermost in my mind for probably 30 years. Wow. And so, in that timeframe, you know, I have done everything to not drink chlorinated water and not drink fluoridated water.

Claire Markwick: 00:32:50

So the fact that reverse osmosis system and

Leanne Jenkins: 00:32:53

yes, absolutely. And then, you know, when we were on the farm, we're on two different farms and both had pure spring water.

Claire Markwick: 00:33:04

Yeah, which is now

Leanne Jenkins: 00:33:06

just amazing. Absolutely amazing stuff. So the cleanliness, that really attracted me because the average person has no idea as to the importance like food, food is medicine. That water is a medicine as well, you know, with the level of percentage of our body that is water. If we don't get the water, right, the food's not going to work. Right?

Claire Markwick: 00:33:34

almost irrelevant. Yeah. Yeah. How would it how would you describe to someone in simple terms because like, I've been like, now I'm sort of opening my eyes even more to water education. You know, there's a lot of people that talk about the benefits of reverse osmosis. And they have these whole house systems. How How would you explain the difference like what's what's the difference between an IRA system and ionized electric electrolyzed, reduced water. Basically,

Leanne Jenkins: 00:34:04

with the reverse osmosis, you put the water from your tap through, usually and under sink situation or a small one on but they're through such fine membranes, that the particle size of let's go some pesticides? Argue bacteria. Fluoride, fluoride is a really small particle. So the reverse osmosis membrane is smaller and doesn't allow that to go through. So it's a very slow process. But it captures that fluoride out because why do we want them fluoride out because it's not healthy for us. It's not going to help our teeth. It's the wrong type of fluoride. It's actually a byproduct of the aluminium industry. So it is a horrible thing. It's classified as a poison. It's also known now, and it's been known for quite a while. And recent papers have come out to back this up as well, again, that it's actually neurotoxic. It will decrease people's IQ kids IQ by at least 10 points. If they're consuming it when they little, I

Claire Markwick: 00:35:20

saw something about that just the other day, actually. Yeah, about levels of fluoride in tap water and an IQ and things like that if kids Yep. And

Leanne Jenkins: 00:35:31

look, Australia's one of the few places in the world that's still fluoridate, and your data still jump up and down and say how important it is for teeth. And it's not. We're not that type of fluoride anyway. So if we look at the ionizer, and the ionizer, has plates, that electrified and when that the water passes over the plates, the water molecule being H two O, so H two, so two H's and an O, it actually get split into the haich molecule and H molecule, and that has greater penetration through our membranes into our cells, and it will actually cross the blood brain barrier. And this is what makes such a difference in terms of the working of cells, the working of our mitochondria, which are our energy store houses in ourselves. And it it takes and just takes health to a whole new level, because we cannot get that level of saturation. Unless we're looking at maybe, you know, four spades for both bays, water, which really comes from fruit, and that sort of thing. And not everyone wants to just live on fruit some people do. Good fruitarians

Claire Markwick: 00:37:04

I, I personally don't think my gut could tolerate just eating fruit constantly. Like, yeah, well, I've seen I've seen comments, you know, when I've talked about before I fully understood things, you know, when I've talked about, you know, it this, so this electrolyzed, reduced water, this molecular hydrogen rich water that the the Enagic ionisers produce, I have spoken about it, you know, being able to hydrate us from a cellular level, and I've had the old keyboard warriors go, Well, isn't that what all water does, you know, or water has to hydrate ourselves? Or we die? You know, how, how is it different? How does it hydrate us more? How is it better for our body for ourselves? Well,

Leanne Jenkins: 00:37:51

having that extra haitch off the molecule allows greater penetration because hydrogen is the smallest molecule on the periodic table. So you have some plain old hydrogen floating around and it comes to a membrane as a small molecule, it has the ease of passing through a lot more easily then a whole molecule of h2o,

Claire Markwick: 00:38:19

they're essentially like I'm imagining, because my brain goes into pictures when I try and when I'm trying to understand something complex. So it's essentially like you've got two little tiny hydrogen molecules, and they're holding the hands of a of a big brother oxygen molecule, essentially. And they're much bigger. So when they're holding hands, and when the three of them are joined up, you know, the, the gaps that they can squeeze into, they have to be bigger gaps, you imagine like you're walking hand in hand with two other people down the street and you get to like a little walkway, like you can't squish in because, you know, you're as wide as three people yet. If those hydrogen like if you let go of hands, you can fit into a smaller space, because you can kind of single while or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah, that's and that's, that's what I just popped into my head when you said that. It's like, Oh, there's another layer of

Leanne Jenkins: 00:39:09

so when you're talking like brain barrier, because, you know, the original thought was that nothing crosses the blood brain barrier. And we know now that that's not right, so

Claire Markwick: 00:39:19

how can I pause? I've heard this blood brain barrier, what's the blood brain barrier?

Leanne Jenkins: 00:39:24

Like Alright, so that is a membrane that is around our brain that is there to protect us from a lot of toxicity.

Claire Markwick: 00:39:30

Right? So it's like a protective stack that is like protecting our brain. You know, a bit like when we're pregnant and the you know, when the baby's inside a little sack, it's protecting us. Yep, exactly.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:39:44

So the size of the membrane pores are very small. And in general, it keeps a lot of things out. But you know, things like heavy metals can get through and, but you if you want to hide Right the brain to a whole new level, having that loose oxygen to penetrate the blood brain barrier is a whole new world for the brain. Wow. So

Claire Markwick: 00:40:12

this is like, this is what I find, like absolutely fascinating like the more I dig and you know, I've I've learned new terminology I know about things like oxidative stress and inflammation and methylation and all these things from, from various, various health professionals that we've taken our son to. So like I understand these terms. And I understand that when we can do things to help reduce oxidative stress and inflammation and things like that, it's it can be really beneficial for our body, and it can be really good for our general health. So explain to explain to us in some way terms, someone like me can understand how does good water help our body? In that regard? How does it help us do its job properly? Alright,

Leanne Jenkins: 00:41:04

so if you imagine a cell, okay, so a cells has a membrane around it, okay. And every, the whole membrane is just made of little particles of fat, okay, and they have to have one, the fat has to be a good fat. So the fat has to be flexible, you know. So it's got to be a beautiful fat, like an olive oil, or, you know, avocado or fish or, or kind of beautiful type of fat. If we're talking too much saturated fat, you know, leftover cold, roast, fat, it's rigid. If you're eating too many trans fats, or, you know, vegetable oils, because we know vegetable oils are quite bad, they're easily hydrogenated. And that means, instead of being a straight parent, we call that change shape, and therefore, they don't allow fluids into the cell, because it's got to go past in between those little molecules. And the other factor that goes with that is you've got a pump that is made up of it takes calcium, magnesium, sodium, and potassium, to pump water through. So if you've got a rigid cell membrane, plus not enough minerals, plus really big water molecules, you're not going to get that inner hydration of your cell. Therefore the functionality of what goes on in the cell, the energy level that your mitochondria, that's your energy store houses that make all your energy, but your ability to detox to. So what you want coming in easily, you also want been pushed out easily from a water perspective, too. So

Claire Markwick: 00:43:06

if I'm hearing that correctly, in that case, poor diet in as much as insufficient vitamins and minerals, bad fats, generally, an unhealthy lifestyle that say it's probably something that most people can understand, essentially, for lack of being completely scientifically correct, essentially, kind of rigids up our cells and makes the good stuff hard to get in the stuff it needs to excrete hard to get out. And our cells are having to work really, really hard to try and do their normal process of hydration, creating energy and passing that around the body. So they're using energy to just try and survive as opposed to doing their job properly, which therefore is going to impact our entire body. For every single cell in our body. I'm imagining all these little cells in our body just stressed out and overwhelmed and overworked because the environment that they're being forced to work in is just not not adequate, not sufficient, then they can't do their job properly. Like if we as human beings were set to work in this kind of like furnace, it's 50 degrees, and we've got this hot air blasting at us. And it's loud, it's noisy, and we can't concentrate. We can't do our job properly. So we might only be putting in 20% effort to do the job is It is that kind of like it's a very elaborate picture I've got going on my head but that's essentially where we're going. We're working so hard to try and do their job. They they're using up all their energy before they can even do their job properly. They may

Leanne Jenkins: 00:44:37

not even use all their energy, maybe they can't even access their energy round. So straight away. One of the most common things is fatigue.

Claire Markwick: 00:44:47

Wow. Yep. And that's why that's why they say adequate hydration included increases your energy levels, you know, makes you you know, makes you feel more alive. That was that was one of the things that my kids said I really didn't tell them too much about the water when we first got our machine and Tom was nine at the time when he tried it and he was like, he was drinking and he's like, feels like feels like I'm drinking energy. And we used to like we are on a property now like what you were just describing our water comes from, from a mountain spring like high up in the snowy mountains. And it's it's primo is beautiful, beautiful water. So we don't have like whenever we go and stay with family and we drink tap water, like I can't even drink it because it's like, feel like I'm taking a swimming pool like drinking a swimming pool. So I would always take bottled water with me and you know, look like a complete sort of snob filling up my drink bottle from bottled water. So how does bottled water different? Because I mean that the bottled water market is massive, isn't it? What Why do people need a $6,000 ionizer when they could just go to Coles and Woolies and buy mineral water what's what's the difference there? From a naturopathic perspective, have

Leanne Jenkins: 00:46:03

you ever had the experience of actually buying bottled water and actually undoing the lead and smelling the chlorine coming off it?

Claire Markwick: 00:46:11

I have to say, I think because I compare it so much to Canberra tap water, which is where you know where a family is. And that's that is so strong chlorine. Bottle of water probably doesn't feel so bad. And I didn't notice it as much. But yeah, okay, well,

Leanne Jenkins: 00:46:27

there's a couple of things going on with bottled water. So one been in plastic, the plastic is not pharmaceutical grade. So if you try some of the plastic that led to really cheap plastic ones, they're almost crinkly. So they degrade over time. So you end up with micro plastic amounts of little tiny, tiny particles in the water that you're drinking. Now that then has a chemical effect on the body called EDC. So they're called endocrine disrupting chemicals. So they disrupt everything that is hormonal in your body. Now, when we think hormones, we tend to think, you know, estrogen and testosterone, but you know, this is our, our water hormones through our kidneys. It's neurotransmitters, it's, you know, there's so many chemicals going on in the body, and they actually disrupt it.

Claire Markwick: 00:47:31

So there's one thing that our functional health practitioner was really big on with with our son, he was like, throw away all his plastic water bottles, like do not let him drink from plastic water bottles, metal or glass. And like, Well, exactly. Not having glass for eight year old. Okay, metal it is? Well, the

Leanne Jenkins: 00:47:49

thing is, you know, we went through that whole phase of oh, gosh, everything had to be BPA free, which yes, that's great. But what they didn't say was BPA is only one of three, right? Massive endocrine disrupting chemicals. So the other ones are BP, F and BP s. And they're worse than BPA. Right. So in terms of marketing, they've done a really great snow job on us. Everyone's very much BP. A aware

Claire Markwick: 00:48:22

that actually, that's the lesser of three evils. Correct. And probably the easiest one that they could combat. So they make that wow, yeah.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:48:31

So you know, from a health perspective, I try not to have anything stored in plastic. I try not if I use glad wrap, I try not to make sure it doesn't touch the food. My water bottle is glass. Yes, I've smashed a few. But I know that nothing's leaching out into it. So there's that component of the bottle of water, then what you've got is the the quality of the filtering and the quality of the water that they're putting into the bottle. Now, some people or some companies have been caught out that all they're doing is they're putting a filter on the tap water. And they're just taking that chlorine odor and taste out. So it's basically a tap water. And for tap water to be tap water. Yes, there has to be a legal requirement that it's a pH of seven. But there's often 23 other chemicals that are put into tap water to get tap water to be tap water. One of those, what they will use the water plants is something called alum. So you can throw it in your swimming pool, and it's it works as a de flocculent. So if you've got stuff in the bottom of your porn, you can't get it out. We put the album in, which is a form of aluminium and it floats whatever is at the bottom to the top so you can see You're a bit off. So that's just one of the other things too.

Claire Markwick: 00:50:05

But it's it just absolutely amazes me that it's kind of marketed and we're led to believe that it's, it's so healthy. And it's, you know, like I, I always say to my kids when they were younger, you know, they're like, Oh, can we have? Can we have like, can we go buy a soft drink? Or whatever? Right? No, but I'll buy your fizzy. You know, I'll buy you a bottle of soda water or sparkling mineral water thinking I was doing the right thing and arguably doing nothing. Yeah, it's not packed full of sugar, and flavorings and all that kind of stuff. But yet, it's too packed full

Leanne Jenkins: 00:50:39

of shit. Essentially, it's not as clean as we'd love to believe. No, no, it's this is why for me, you know, I was so passionate about having clean water. And for me, that wasn't a hard thing to take on board and Iron Eyes. And once I've got my head round, it wasn't ionized. Not just the fact that was a filter on thinking, winning, you know, but no, and develop the knowledge to a whole new level of what an ionizer dance is just mind blowing.

Claire Markwick: 00:51:13

So without kind of delving into, obviously too much about specific clients and things like that, and I'm conscious of time, but this is such a fascinating conversation as well. What are some of the what are some of the health benefits? You see? What are some of the conditions that you see ionized water, molecular hydrogen rich water, I'm able to help with, one

Leanne Jenkins: 00:51:37

of the things I always do when someone comes in to see me is I get them to do a urine sample. And then we dip sticker and I do that every time they come in. So, you know, it's nice to see the progress of the health of the year in that timeframe. And one of the first things that I always look at is I look at what's called the specific gravity. And that is, do you drink enough water to dilute the solids in your urine? Because you do not want really, really concentrated urine? So for many people, they're not that good at that. But when you drink the ionized water, because the molecules are getting into every sell up to a whole new level, that is a really specific challenge. I see. Right?

Claire Markwick: 00:52:30

So actually, like, it's not like you have to drink like five liters to be hydrated kind of thing you might have one or two liters has the same impact as bigger, you know, the holding hands, the water, the warm salutely, the full water molecule of three people holding hands, you need to drink less of it for the same hydration benefit, essentially. Yeah, and that's one thing that a lot of people say, isn't it? Like, I can't drink that much water? It just bloats me so much, or it makes me feel sick the drink that much. That's number

Leanne Jenkins: 00:53:01

two that I usually see is people don't have that. Oh my god, I'm so bloated. I don't want a situation because it passes through the the membrane of the stomach so quickly, and into the bloodstream. So that is another benefit. I have one lady here. I just like all this talking of drinking.

Claire Markwick: 00:53:22

Go for your life. I'd write those cells.

Leanne Jenkins: 00:53:27

I have one lady. And you know, I said to her, Okay, are you going with taking supplements? And she said, I can't take them? And I said, What do you mean, you can't take them? And she said, I can't take them because I can't drink water. And I said, What do you mean, you can't drink water? And she said I vomit water. Interesting. I just can't I swallow it and it comes back up. And I went oh, so I'm gonna send you home with two liters of my eyeline small town. And I just want you to, you know, sip on it. Let me know how you go. Try it in a glass, etc. So the next morning, she sent me this message. She was so excited to finish the whole two liter. Wow. And it did stay down. So she said, I want a machine that was just life changing for her. absolutely life changing. I had a lady last week and she just come back from overseas and before she left she was experiencing if she drank tap water, her tongue would swell. So if she boiled it, that would be okay. So she went overseas, she couldn't drink the bottle water on the plane. It ended up she couldn't drink the water overseas either. And so unless you bought it to so I've just sent her home and And I've got to do a catch up with her because when I messaged her in the morning, what she consumed overnight hadn't swollen that time yet at all. Wow. Yeah, it's it's there to kind of weird where the funds that yeah, there's more generalized ones then happen over and over again.

Claire Markwick: 00:55:23

One thing one final thing I'd like I said I could literally keep talking to you like this is absolutely fascinating to me. And I reckon there's there's more conversations that we could have here. I really think so. But one thing that I've noticed personally, and we have to be, we do have to be very careful, don't we, you know, in what we say we're not, we're not making any medical claims, this machine can just magically created this water that can just fix everything. But what I've noticed personally, so I have celiac disease, which means I have a gluten free diet. And it means if gluten comes into my body, obviously, you're well aware, if gluten comes into my body, then everything gets inflamed, I get tremendous pain, I get nausea, I get sickness, I get cold, hot and cold sweats, I get dizziness, there's so many symptoms, so many symptoms that my body just goes into shock, essentially. But one thing I've noticed since drinking this water is that whilst I still can't tolerate gluten, if I have an accidental gluten hit, then the reaction isn't as bad and might be particularly the abdominal pain, which was the really debilitating symptom for me, isn't as bad. And I've been questioning and doing research on what is is that just fluke? Was it just a tiny, tiny little contamination that I had? And maybe I didn't ingest enough for it to have that significant effect? Or could the water have had some contributing factor now, without making any medical claims? Can you help explain how drinking this water might help reduce abdominal pain and symptoms?

Leanne Jenkins: 00:57:07

I'm also gluten free. I'm technically not celiac, but have a massive reaction, massive gut pain can't walk

Claire Markwick: 00:57:17

can't bend over double lets me like literally like not know. And cry until the pain passes? Absolutely. Yeah,

Leanne Jenkins: 00:57:25

absolutely. I'm that same clip. And I've found I'm more tolerant as well. So my thinking is because there's less oxidation going on. So there's got to be an oxidation reaction happening when that inflammation occurs because of that molecule of work going down. So whether it acts almost like a dampener on to the fire of inflammation, I'm not too sure. There is actually I was reading a study now let me just hang on. Because there's heaps of good studies, like there's about 1400 studies, at least that they've done. Okay, so page two supports your natural antioxidant system by signaling the NF two pathways. So that's associated Do you should? Yeah, yep. Yeah. So you do not. And when you get too much of that pathway being stimulated, it's a it's a one way path to some sort of disease. So I think the dampening of all of that down is possibly makes us less reactive.

Claire Markwick: 00:59:00

So it's essentially like it's essentially like an I forget how Kai's functional health practitioner put it. It's sort of like, it's, it's like, I forget how he puts it, you know, it's like our body our DNA, our DNA, loads the gun, but the environment pulls the trigger sort of thing. So yeah. If we can't like whilst we can't Well, whilst I can't do anything about celiac disease, it's a genetic condition like it's in my DNA, I can't do anything about it. I'm never going to be able to eat gluten. What I can do is create the best possible environment within my body to be able to cope if I have an accidental gluten here, so if I've already got if I'm imagining these little these little cells that are all overworked and like sweaty and overweight and out of shape and stressed and overwhelmed, and you know, these little sad little faces and they're just like, ooh, and then gluten comes in and attack them. They're like, ah, like, nothing left, just whatever do to me, whatever, that's when I'm going to this, that's when I'm going to start to feel really, really rough. Whereas if all of my cells and everything within my body is fighting fit, and fueled well and energized and well rested and pumped up and fired up, when that toxin comes in, or when that poison to my body comes in, they're like, right, we can fight this better. So then it's never going to be able to be properly. Like, I'm never going to be able to eat gluten, but I can give my body the best possible chance of fighting it off. Without huge severity of symptoms, it would that be a fair kind of really lay way of describing was? Well, that's

Leanne Jenkins: 01:00:44

my thinking on the actual process of how it is, you know, is that accurate? I don't know. But just reading some of the study studies in the pathways that changes the reaction to I think that's, that's a nice way of putting it, I really do. And, you know, and that whole, you know, most people think, if you ask someone, what's more important, or how, how much does genetics play a role in your health, most people say, you know, 50% 75%, like, it's a maximum of 10%. Wow, the environment is the rest. So if we've got the best water, and you really make a conscious effort with your food, the likelihood of some of your genes being turned on is less. So here's a really good, they use this study all the time. So if you can picture a normal looking mouse, right, and then they're genetically bred this other mouse that's massively obese, and the yellow and they call the gooty. Mice. Okay. So, mom, the little brown mouse has produced these fat yellow obese agouti mice, because she has a gene for gooty mice right. Now, if you give mom the methylated B's, in her dyers, her offspring will now be brown like her and little and not obese.

Claire Markwick: 01:02:31

Interesting,

Leanne Jenkins: 01:02:32

so the genes are still there. But they haven't been turned on because then her needs have been met. Nutritionally.

Claire Markwick: 01:02:43

Isn't that fascinating? Like I honestly believe there is so much like I am not a I'm not a medical professional in the slightest. But I honestly believe there is so much we don't know about how we work. And my Our son has a has a spinal condition, which meant that he needs to see a pediatric neurosurgeon periodically. And I remember sitting in her office one day, and I was asking her, she was telling me about his condition. And I was asking her, Well, what's caused this or what's, you know, why is it genetic, or blah, blah, blah. And she she looked at me and she was like, I have been doing this for 20 odd years. She said, I am a pediatric neurosurgeon fitted, I have studied the brain and how it works. And she said, there is so much, we don't know. She said, I have just scratched the surface of my understanding of how the brain works and how how our nervous system works and how it all kind of intertwines. And I was I sat there, and I'm like, if if if a pediatric neurosurgeon, a brain surgeon can say to me, there is so much about the body that I don't know, like, like, how are we to understand it, and it just, it totally and utterly kind of changed the way I thought about things? And I'm like, Well, if they don't know, like, who's to say that, that what modern medicine is telling us is correct. How do we know? You know, like, what if we don't need all these pills and potions? And what if what if it does just come down to simple hydration, simple nutrition, support a healthy lifestyle, you know, like our mindset and how we think how we exercise what we drink, what we eat? What is that? We're enough?

Leanne Jenkins: 01:04:30

And that's where, you know, that's what I think, you know, in modern medicine is only looking at health from a mechanistic point of view. Know, what is it in the brain? What if it's, what if it's your thoughts? Hmm, the mind the spirit, and how much of an impact that plays on how we work, how our body works, you know, once you start exploring down that rabbit hole, to me that that comes from first. So from a quantum physics point of view, everything in the world has a frequency. So your liver frequency might be different to your kidney frequency, which is different to magnesium, which is different to Epstein Barr Virus, etc. And you have a reference range for that. And when you're in that reference range, that's fine, because that's good workings and, and normal functionality and that sort of thing. But if your thoughts push you outside that reference range, and sometimes that will happen just for a little bit of time, but if you stay outside of that reference range, the first thing that changes is the functionality of your cells, and the working of your cells. So then, if that stays too long in that frequency, it then becomes an issue in the tissue. And then it's an organ, and then it's a system. So, you know, we can look at the physicality of things of what goes on. But unless you look at them, you know, the emotionality and the, what's going on from that side, and the resonance and the frequency of what's happening around you and what you're taking on board. You know, when someone detoxes you don't only detox the liver, and the kidneys, you need to detox your mind. detox your what you take in, don't take in the news, don't you know, anything that's negative, the negative person the negative toxicity of an environment, you know, get out of there from a toxin point of view? Oh, my

Claire Markwick: 01:06:37

gosh, it is like,

Leanne Jenkins: 01:06:38

I knew rabbit hole,

Claire Markwick: 01:06:41

I swear to God, that's a whole other conversation. And it's, it's, it's absolutely, absolutely fascinating. I have enjoyed every second of this conversation and could keep going for at least an hour. But you know, we'll save that for part two. Where can people find you online, if they want to if they want to follow you if they want to learn more about what you do? Where do you practice physically? And where can people find you online?

Leanne Jenkins: 01:07:06

Physically, I mean, all brute practice wise, I do do online consults for anyone who's out of that. And I do do a Sunday once a month for anyone who wants to traveling. I'm online at on Facebook, as my naturopath online. And you can reach out there or you'll find my phone number and everything in details. So reach out if you need to.

Claire Markwick: 01:07:33

Yeah, we'll post all of that in the show notes of this episode, as well. And I'm sure there's going to be people listening in there. We'd love to connect. And if anyone has any questions, then by all means, fire them through to me and and I reckon we have a part two and part three and part four, and whatever else it might be. This could become a regular thing. Yeah, sorry, Mike, thank you so much. I really enjoyed this conversation. I've loved hearing your journey, and then getting into getting into the water and that the health side of things has been absolutely fascinating. So thank you so so much.

Leanne Jenkins: 01:08:06

Thank you, Claire, for having me. It's been a joy. I love someone who's equally passionate about their health and what they put into their body. As I

Claire Markwick: 01:08:16

as I say from from, from my own health perspective, from watching our son and the impact of what goes into his body and how that physically manifests in him. It's yeah, it's been something we are well aware of. And now we're bringing water into the equation as well.

Leanne Jenkins: 01:08:32

takes things to a whole new level. Absolutely. Thank

Claire Markwick: 01:08:35

you so so much. Until next time,

Leanne Jenkins: 01:08:37

thank you glue.

Claire Markwick: 01:08:40

So good. I reckon the more I learn about this water, the more incredible having an Enagic business is it was it really was the business side of things and and the numbers and lightly answered the commission structure that attracted me to this business opportunity in the beginning, but 12 months on the product and having the magic products in our home and feeling and seeing the difference that drinking the water and showering in the water and taking the Tumeric supplements like all of that combined together. It's really, really sparking a deep, deep love and a deep, deep desire to share this with as many people as I possibly can. And I just love that. Not only do we get to hear Leanne story through this episode and sort of her evolution, but we also got to hear some of her expertise and how she's able to now use this water to help in her naturopathic business and to help her clients reach even greater levels of health. And I think it is just truly truly amazing. So as I said at the end of our interview, all of Leanne's contact details are in the show notes to this episode, so go and check that out. Go follow her. If you are keen to hear more about what Leanne does. And if you're keen to understand a little bit more about the business side of Enagic and what that could look like for you, then we actually have a really amazing opportunity going on at the moment. So at the time of recording this, it is the end of February 2024. So if you are listening to this through March 2024, then you have got the opportunity to be part of an amazing online event that has been run by the time this episode is going live and you can catch the replay I have to teach you all about the business side of Enagic and how that can help you create conscious wealth for your family and help you achieve your goals by creating impact and by helping people achieve the most out of their lives as well. So if you're looking for a bit of a bit of a sea change bit of a tree

Claire Markwick: 01:10:54

change if you're looking for something a little bit new if you're looking for something to bring in an extra stream of income for your family, or maybe you're just really curious to find out a little bit more about this. This business that Leanne and I are both a part of then shoot me a DM or shoot me a message there's a link in the show notes of this episode as well and I will hook you up with a replay of the masterclass that make it rain masterclass that has just been run and it will give you all the information that you need to know. Alrighty, that is it for this week. I would love for you to share this episode with someone in your network that you think needs to hear it and until next week. Bye bye